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Re: [STDS-802-Privacy] 802c - Local address management presentation



Hi Juan Carlos:

Thanks for providing the link.

I had a brief look at the presentation by Pat Thaler (first weblink below):
1) Slide 5:
Somehow, I still do not understand the need for partitioning of the address space, where part is for "local administration". This seems to be the crux of the 24/24 address partitioning debate triggered by the 802.c PAR, so important to understand better. What is the concern/use case that I am missing?
2) Slide 12:
Pseudo-random address generation with 24 bits of freedom easily leads to clashes well before ~1000 devices (due to the so-called birthday paradox);
Partitioning of address space accross multiple servers, with pre-assigned ranges, seems wasteful, since in practice the requirements per server may not be the same.
Overall, it is hard to see what the downside would be to having pseudo-random addresses of 48 (well: 46 bits) in the sketched scenario, except perhaps for network segregation. If address generation is local (ethernet in cars, etc.) and messaging would use authentication, one does not need to worry about this segregation issue. Moreover, (as Dan Harkins already pointed out before), the probability of clashes is quite low with 46 bits of freedom for pseudo-random address generation. One can implement DAD or use server-allocation addresses (Slide 15) to mitigate potential clashes, should these still occur.
3) Slide 17:
Not sure whether one does not need a unique id for IoT devices. In many settings, one may want this, e.g., for white listing and configuration purposes. This does not have to be a burned in address at manufacturing, since recoverability hereof by the device, e.g., at start-up, does suffice. So, even if one has a unique id, this does not necessarily result in increased manufacturing cost.

Best regards, Rene



On 10/22/2014 3:02 PM, Zuniga, Juan Carlos wrote:

Hi all,

 

During our call Rene asked for a link to a presentation describing the reasoning behind the 802c PAR.

 

Here is a link to the latest 802c presentation that I’m aware of, which was presented by Pat Thaler at the last IAB/IESG (IETF) – IEEE 802 F2F coordination meeting on Sep 29:

 

http://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2013/01/new-addresses-thaler-local-address-acquisition-0914-v1.pdf

 

The rest of the presentations from the meeting can be found here:

 

http://www.iab.org/activities/joint-activities/iab-ieee-coordination/

 

 

Regards,

 

Juan Carlos

 



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