stds-802-mobility: RE: Comments on Proposed IEEE 802.16e PAR
Mark,
Thank you for copying me in your correspondence. As always, I appreciate
your insights into the wireless standards setting process and the
relationships among the various wireless standards setting bodies. As you
know, through your participation in the work of the MBWA, the MBWA ECSG PAR
already identifies the 3G Partnership Projects as related to the work on
MBWA and identifies the individual partners as organizations with which
liaison relationships would be useful as the work progresses. We also had
the 3GPP, 3GPP2 and ITU-R contacts listed in Section 15 of the PAR V.1
(http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/mbwa/SG_Docs/802m_ecsg-02-06%20R1.pdf)
in revising this section under IEEE staff guidance, I deleted the text from
this section. The text should have been placed into Section 16. We will
discuss this at the upcoming meeting.
Your comment below also suggests that you would like to see mention made in
section 1 b) of the Five Criteria "of the possibility of cooperatively
interfacing the proposed new IEEE standards for mobile operation in licensed
bands below 6 GHz with the wide area broadband systems standards developed
by 3GPP and 3GPP2." As your note states, this may also apply to the ECSG
PAR. In the case of the ECSG PAR the upper limit of the band is presently
3.5 GHz and as the PAR already states cooperation with 3GPP and 3GPP2 is
desired. Again I will schedule this suggestion for discussion in the ECSG as
we look at the PAR and Five Criteria in response to final comments from the
Working Groups and Executive Committee.
Again, thank you for your comments. If you have any other comments you wish
us to consider feel free to send me e-mail as I will not be reachable by
phone until Sunday.
Best Regards
Mark Klerer
PS: I have copied the ECSG mailing list on this response so they are aware
of the issue and are prepared to address it at the upcoming session.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Epstein [mailto:mepstein@qualcomm.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:03 PM
To: r.b.marks@ieee.org; brian.kiernan@interdigital.com; M.Klerer@flarion.com
Subject: Comments on Proposed IEEE 802.16e PAR
Roger and Brian,
These comments are in response to the Call for Comments on Proposed IEEE
802.16e PAR. Please post for consideration in the preparation of the PAR. I
have added Mark Klerer as an addressee to this correspondence as the
comments may apply also to the ECSG PAR, and the ECSG may want to take it
into account in the final revisions of the ECSG PAR, also.
As IEEE 802.16 and IEEE 802 move forward in their consideration of the
subject PAR, it may be useful to include the possibililty of
interoperability/handoff with 3G broadband wide area standards developed by
other standards bodies. This kind of activity is already occuring in the
consideration of interoperability/handoff of 802.11 standards with the wide
area WCMDA and cdma2000 standards developed by 3GPP and 3GPP2 as part of
the cooperative efforts of TIA, ETSI, CWTS, ARIB, TTA, TTC and others.
Useful to consider in this regard is that the standards body expertise for
the wide area broadband 3G systems supporting all mobile speeds in licensed
bands has historically been in the 3GPP and 3GPP2 arena. When issues
affecting non-wide area broadband systems have arisen, many individuals in
these bodies point to the expertise and excellence of the IEEE standards
groups. While there is always some healthy overlap in responsibilites
between standards bodies, it would seem that consideration should be given
to not unnecessarily duplicating efforts or creating competitive fora.
Thus, it is suggested that in section 1 b) of 802.16-02/49, mention be made
of the possibility of cooperatively interfacing the proposed new IEEE
standards for mobile operation in licensed bands below 6 GHz with the wide
area broadband systems standards developed by 3GPP and 3GPP2.
For background on the work in 3GPP and 3GPP2, note that both these groups
have major projects to convert their core networks to what are called
All-IP networks. These All-IP networks are based on IETF protocols. This
work is called IP Multimedia Subsystem (IMS) in 3GPP and IP Multimedia
Domain (MMD) in 3GPP2. When these All-IP networks are fully deployed, the
traditional circuit switched Mobile Switching Centers (MSCs) will disappear
and any communications to traditional wireline telephone networks will be
through Media Gateways (MGW). Both 3GPPs have been developing packet based
standards for the RAN. This is for both the air interface and the
land-side network comprising the BSC, BTS, and various packet gateways. In
3GPP, the work on core packet networks is being done in TSG SA and TSG
CN. In 3GPP2, the core network work is being done in TSG-N and in TSG-P
(soon to be merged), with TSG-P being created specifically to handle the
packet domain.
Mark