Thread Links Date Links
Thread Prev Thread Next Thread Index Date Prev Date Next Date Index

RE: stds-802-mobility: Hand-off question



Title: Message
Interesting question.
 
Surely a 'mobile' system must support roamiong and handoff by definition ?
 
 
Unless the expectation is that 802.20 will be ubiquituous & seamless from launch (unrealistic given coverage, site acquisition difficulties, and current financing situation?), then that implies handoff to other technologies.
 
Consider a user experience. They are in the middle of a 802.20 session, then leave the coverage area... Without handoff, the session breaks and the user will likely regard that as a failure. What is more, you could argue that broadband services tend to be less tolerant of interruptions than narrow-band ones - the user could be watching a (paid-for) video-session, or be in the middle of a VoIP call, or a major file synch - all of which would be annoying to drop.
 
Now consider it from an operator's perspective. That user has lost their session (involuntarily, not a good thing for service reputation). Either they will give up (and read a book), or they will restart, probably using a technology which they believe will have coverage & reliability - 3G, 2.5G etc. Once they are connected to that, if there is no mechanism to return them to MBWA the operator has essentially lost that customer until (unless) they initiate the transition.
 
While not all operators will support two-way handoff (drop back to 3G; lift-up to MBWA) some certainly would like it.  I would suspect that any operator launching MBWA would want a drop-back optioon in ordder to offer seamless service (for a new entrant, they'd negotiate a wholesale or MVNO deral with an incumbent).
 
 
To David's question, the fact that MBWA offers higher performance than 3G is somewhat beside the point:  it is very common for newer, better, standards to default to another (slower) if required.
 
 
For example, 3G drops back to 2G.  (The lack of this capability at launch was one of the major reasons for DoCoMo's problems with FOMA).
Similarly, V.90 can drop back to V.34 or slower; 100baseT interoperates with 10baseT, etc etc
 
 
To turn the querstion around:   if MBWA does *not* support handoff, then it is essentially a hot-spot application. As such, what will be the usage cases where it delivers better customer experience than 802.11  ?
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-mobility@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-mobility@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Dave James (UK)
Sent: 22 April 2003 06:55
To: arsha@optonline.net; stds-802-mobility@ieee.org
Subject: RE: stds-802-mobility: Hand-off question

What could be the purpose ?  MBWA is just that - truly broadband, not 3G at all.......
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-mobility@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-mobility@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Prem Pungaliya
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 6:17 PM
To: stds-802-mobility@ieee.org
Subject: stds-802-mobility: Hand-off question

Will handoff be supported between 802.20 and public 3G?