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RE: Straw Poll for Millenium Medal

I have a suggestion...

Firstly, a question. How many awards do we have a realistic expectation to
get for 802 members (Exec or otherwise)? This seems to be central to
finding the right path here.

(1) If (as I detect from Jim) the realistic expectation is that we get one
or at most 2 awards, then the correct thing to do IMHO is NOT to identify
any individual names at all, but to nominate 802 as a body (the rules as
far as I read them allow individuals *or groups* to be nominated).    After
all, 802 as a body has quite a story to tell, and has a very large number
of people that have made significant contributions to the creation of the
LAN industry over a 19 year period. I somehow think that such a nomination
might stand a very good chance of succeeding, and would recognize *all* the
contributors in 802 over the years. We should do this *regardless* of how
many awards we think are achievable.

(2) If we think that the realistic expectation is that we get a larger
number of awards, but still a fairly small number - half a dozen, say, then
we should put forward additional nominations for the working groups of 802
that we think are worthy of special mention, in addition to the overall 802
nomination.  Again, there are particular WGs here that have quite a story
to tell, and picking out one or two individuals from each of them might be

(3) If we think that we might get a significant number of awards (10+ say),
then in addition to (1) and (2), we should consider nominating a suitable
number of individuals whose contribution has been exceptional.  And I agree
entirely with Buzz's expressed views on this - if that list ends up only
containing past or present Exec members, then it is entirely the WRONG
answer; not because those individuals are not deserving (quite the
opposite, for the reasons Pat expressed), but because they are not the
*only* ones that are deserving, by a very long way.  Similarly, if that
list did not cover the spread of significant activities in 802, then it
would be the wrong answer. Apart from the one exception of Jim, the current
list of nominees seems only to recognize the contribution of 802.3 to the
LAN industry.  We all know .3 is terribly important - but there are one or
two other areas - MAC Bridging, to name just one that I have a small
interest in - that have been central to the success of the industry;
others, such as wireless, show promise in terms of its future success
beyond 2000.  If we reach this point in the process, we must show some
balance in the nominations.

So the first and most important question that we need to answer is: How
many nominations are we likely to get? The total number is are
they going to be carved up? Jim, can you give us some help here?  Perhaps
you can make soundings in appropriate places.


At 16:26 18/08/99 -0700, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
>Pat,  If such an expectation exists, I have heard nothing about it at all.
 That's why I'm blowing the whistle!  We need to follow through with some
additional (non-SEC) nominations.  Jim, can I make an official motion on

>Thanx,  Buzz
>Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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>From:  THALER,PAT (HP-Roseville,ex1) []
>Sent:  Wednesday, August 18, 1999 4:06 PM
>Subject:  RE: Straw Poll for Millenium Medal
>You know what a conscientious speller I am ;^).  Blame it on Microsoft.
Spell check seems to accept both spellings though the paper references at
my finger tips only acknowledge the "nn" spelling.  
>On a more serious side, I agree that we should up the number of
nominations unless the expectation is for Working Group chairs to handle
nominating people from their groups.
>From:	Rigsbee, Everett O []
>Sent:	Wednesday, August 18, 1999 3:40 PM
>To:	Rigsbee, Everett O;;
<;>  Paul Nikolich; THALER,PAT
>	(HP-Roseville,ex1)
>Subject:	RE: Straw Poll for Millenium Medal
>Pat,  I know all too well how much work Geoff and Howard have put in on
the 802.3 standards.  I was in no way attempting to demean their very
significant contributions.  I'm just suggesting that it is personally
distasteful to me to see the Exec Comm  ONLY  nominating members of the
SEC, as though, you don't count if you're not a member of this secret club.
 I instead view the SEC as necessary(?) set of bureaucrats whose primary
purpose is to provide some administrative assistance to the folks who
really create these standards.  I certainly cannot tolerate the thought
that there is no other (non-SEC) person out there deserving of a Millennium
Medal.  I think we should be awarding at least 10 or 12 medals, and I would
be very comfortable including Howard and Geoff in that group.  We have any
number of outstanding contributors that are NOT ON the SEC (eg. Tony, Mick,
Howie J, etc, etc, etc).  Can't we see our way to "Share the Wealth."  I
know we're wonderful, but I bet we'd get!
> a different answer if we opened it up to "our constituencies." 
>PS:  If we are going to give out "Millennium" Medals, we had better at
least learn how to spell "millennium."
>Thanx,  Buzz
>Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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