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RE: +++ Press News Byte - 802.15

It seems to me that if the SEC is not to be a rubber stamp organization,
then voting on the approval of a press release after editorial changes
should imply that the words in the draft are essentially correct.  This one
obviously requires a major rewrite.  That is not editorial correction.  The
electronic voting process allows us to see the changed text, have a new
vote, and still get a timely press release out.

Until I see a draft that is reasonably close to what we can feel
comfortable with , I vote NO.

Best regards.

Robert D. Love
Program Manager, IBM ACS - US
Chair IEEE 802.5 Token Ring Working Group
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"Rigsbee, Everett O" <> on
04/07/2000 03:52:16 PM

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To:   802 J Carlo <>, 802 Geoff Thompson
Subject:  RE: +++ Press News Byte - 802.15

I don't know, maybe I'm just a weirdo, but I certainly remember the
objectives for 802.15.1 very clearly, because they were roundly debated
during the PAR development process and were a central theme in deciding how
to place the resulting project (ie. the  802.11-Lite vs. 802.15-Bluetooth
debate).  It also seems clear to me that the parenthetical statement refers
to all 3 of the objectives.  So I'm having difficulty understanding your
reasons for a negative vote when the changes required appear to be purely
editorial.  I trust Jim and Bob to come up with modifications to the text
that will address your concerns.
Am I the only one who feels this way ???
Thanx,  Buzz
Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
> ----------
> From:   Geoff Thompson[]
> Sent:   Friday, April 07, 2000 9:32 AM
> To:     Jim Carlo
> Cc:     IEEE802
> Subject:     Re: +++Press News Byte - 802.15
> Bob-
> Jim-
> I would not have a CLUE, nor would I expect any reader to without going
and doing a PAR lookup as to the meaning of:
> "To provide a standard for low complexity, low cost, low power
consumption (comparable to the goals of 802.15.1)"
> Is the comparison to 802.15.1 only for power or for all 3?
> Are the readers REALLY expected to be inherently familiar with goals of
802.15.1 at this level?
> Can you pass such a test on complexity, cost, or power consumption on an
arbitrary 802.3 project?
> For the time being and for the above version I will vote no.
> Geoff
> At 01:48 AM 4/7/00 -0500, Jim Carlo wrote:
> >Issue Date: 6April2000 Closing Date: 11April2000
> >Moved By: Bob Heile
> >Seconded By: Jim Carlo
> >Move: Authorize (In Principal after more edits) IEEE News Byte for IEEE
> >March 30, 2000, Piscataway, NJ--- IEEE 802.15 WPAN Standards Project on
High Rate WPANs Approved
> >The IEEE-SA Standards Board recently approved a new project request
> >for wireless personal area networks, designated P802.15.3, Wireless
> >Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications for High
> >Wireless Personal Area Networks (WPAN). This new project will be
> >within the 802.15 Working Group, as part of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN
> >(winner of the IEEE Millenium Medal), which is sponsored by the Computer
> >Society of the IEEE.
> >The project's scope and purpose, approved at the 30 March 2000 Standards
> >Board meeting, is as follows:
> >Scope of Proposed Project: This project will define the PHY and MAC
> >specifications for high data rate wireless connectivity with fixed,
> >and moving devices within or entering a Personal Operating Space (POS).
> >goal of the WPAN-HR (High Rate) Task Group will be to achieve a level of
> >interoperability or coexistence with other 802.15 Task Groups. It is
> >the intent of this project to work toward a level of coexistence with
> >wireless devices in conjunction with Coexistence Task Groups such as
> >Purpose of Proposed Project: To provide a standard for low complexity,
> >cost, low power consumption (comparable to the goals of 802.15.1) and
> >high data rate wireless connectivity among devices within or entering
> >Personal Operating Space (POS). The data rate will be high enough, 20
> >or more, to satisfy a set of consumer multimedia industry needs for WPAN
> >communications. The project will also address the Quality of Service
> >capabilities required to support multimedia data types.
> >For more information, please contact Bob Heile, Chair of 802.15 at
> >, John Barr, Chair of  theTask Group for P802.15.3 on High
> >Rate WPANs at, Jim Allen, Vice Chair of Task Group for
> >at or visit the 802.15 Web site at>
> >
> >IEEE contact:
> >Karen McCabe
> >Manager, Marketing
> >IEEE Standards Activities
> >
> >PH: +1 732 562 3824; FX: +1 732 562 1571
> >
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