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It is easier but I don't think it is better. As more and more decision
making goes on over email, it is important for non-exec members to be able
to have access to the discussions. A closed list will give the impression
that the Exec is a closed club. If no one on the Exec is interested in
taking on the job of keeping the filters up to date (presumably David Law
can tell you how much work it is but my impression is that it is real work),
then we distribute the work to all of us by having to hit the delete key a
few extra times per day.

I wonder if it would be possible to ask IEEE to just apply the same filters
to 802SEC as are active for the 802.3 reflector (under the assumption that
the same spammers hit us all). That would still require someone on the Exec
to volunteer to receive the bounced messages so that incorrect bounces can
be sent to the list.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O []
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:25 PM
To:; Buzz@PSS; 802 Pat Thaler

Pat,  It's much easier to just turn on the control that only allows people 
on the List to post to the list.  Since we control who's on the list it will

effectively remove all spam.  Another option is to make the list moderated 
so that Bob O'Hara as list owner see all attempts to post to the list by 
non-members and can approve or discard before forwarding takes place.  
We don't need to engineering a lot of special filters, at least not for this

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98324-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721

> ----------
> From: 	THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1)[]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, June 27, 2001 1:52 PM
> To:;
> Cc:;;
> The IEEE reflector does have the ability to filter on various parameters
> such as address or text in the message. Occasionally something slips
> onto the 802.3 reflector but our diligent vice-chair David Law adds
> to the reflector so it doesn't keep happening. IEEE can help but someone
> the Exec would have to take responsibility for deciding what should be
> filtered. That person also receives the bounced messages because
> occasionally a legitimate message gets bounced because it contains a
> suspicious word and someone needs to check and forward to the reflector
> incorrectly bounced messages.
> Pat
> -----Original Message-----
> From: []
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:12 PM
> To:
> Cc:;;
> SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM (and the English amongst us will understand this...)
> Buzz,
> Unfortunately, this is now not only a problem restricted to the 802 Exec
> reflector. Now it occurring on the dot 11 ( and dot
> ( reflectors too, and can only get worse as time
> expands. The computer generators are going through sequence after sequence
> down the DNS / IP chain, and will inevitably infect us all.
> - Stuart J. Kerry
> Chair, IEEE 802.11 WG
> Attached is my vCard for Contact Information:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rigsbee, Everett O []
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 14:44
> To: 802 Exec
> Subject: FW: Re: [802SEC] Web Hosting 100 megs for $9.95 a month !!
> Now this is truly 100% SPAM, and once it starts, it goes on and on.
> I still recommend we restrict this list to Post-by-Members-Only, with
> the clearly communicated option that any 802 member who believes
> he has a messages that needs to go to the whole SEC can send it to
> his chair for forwarding as appropriate.  End of problem.
> Thanx,  Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing - SSG
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA  98324-2207
> (425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
> > ----------
> > From:[]
> > Sent: 	Monday, June 25, 2001 4:37 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: 	[802SEC] Web Hosting 100 megs for $9.95 a month !!
> >
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