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Re: [802SEC] Get802 program has been restored to former terms andconditions through May 15

(1) I don't see a need to pro-rate our contribution. The breakage of 
the agreement affected the operation of the program for 0 days.

(2) I don't see how the existence of 802.3-2002, which is not in 
GetIEEE802, would stimulate the removal of 802.3-2000 from 
GetIEEE802. Obviously, our agreement with IEEE-SA doesn't specific 
every detail, but this is one that I find to be well outside my 

(3) Since Mr. Thompson expresses concern for the program beyond May 
15, I think we need to ask very carefully what we really get for our 
money. If the program simply terminates, then the whole argument we 
had at the last meeting is moot. In other words, the question of 
whether the delay is 6 month or 12 months is irrelevant unless the 
program operates at least six more months. If the program closes on 
May 15, then we will be getting nothing at all for our money. In that 
case, the only reason to give it away it because we have a commitment 
to do so. Do we? I can't tell. Regarding that issue:

(4) I'd like to see the specific escrow motion we passed on March 15. 
I don't think the minutes are out yet.

(5) I'd like a Treasurer's analysis of the following:

When we started the program a year ago, the basic idea was for us to 
contribute $75/person/meeting on a continuing basis. However, we also 
kicked in some older escrowed funds amounting to, I believe, two 
meetings. Since the program was planned as a three-year pilot, I 
understood that the escrowed funds were to supplement the program 
over the three-year startup phase.

If I have my math right, the current proposed motion is to forward 
the fee for the fourth meeting since we agreed to start the program. 
Adding in the two escrowed meetings, I calculate that, if the motion 
passes, we will be in for six meetings worth of donations. Now, if 
the program ends on May 15, we will have gotten for our money exactly 
one year of distribution. This means that we will have effectively 
paid double: $75/person/meeting for six meetings, in return for one 
year of distribution. Bob and/or Bill: do I have this right?


At 11:09 AM -0700 02/04/09, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>I will vote APPROVE on such a motion because I believe that it 
>restores the terms of the deal that we all agreed upon. However, I 
>do have some considerations.
>1) Mr. Frasier has expressed surprise that 802.3 will no longer be 
>available. That is true and doesn't surprise me as there is a new 
>REVISION that has just been published. Those voting should be aware 
>of this though.
>2) My approve vote is with some reservations.
>I am tempted to pro-rate our contribution by the following formula
>         ((365/3) - (Days that agreement was broken)
>         ___________________________________________
>                 (365/3)
>At this point I think our prospects for having a program after May 
>15 are shaky.
>At 07:24 AM 4/9/02 -0700, Bill Quackenbush wrote:
>>Since a motion was passed by the SEC to escrow the 802 funds for the
>>Get802 program, I move the following:
>>         Motion:
>>         Now that the IEEE-SA has reinstated the Get802 program 
>>according to the
>>original agreement with IEEE 802, 802 funds for the Get802 program that
>>were escrowed at the March SEC meetings are hereby released from escrow
>>for payment to the IEEE-SA according to the terms of the Get 802 
>>program agreement.
>>Word smithing is welcomed.
>>Paul Nikolich wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Bob,
>>  >
>>  > Yes it does IMPLY that a check should be cut, but the SEC will have to
>>  > formally vote on it before that action is taken.  Bob, by your comments I
>>>  assume you and Bill would be willing to Move/Second such a motion?  If yes,
>>>  will one of you please prepare a motion for SEC email ballot?
>>>  Thanks,
>>>  --Paul
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: Grow, Bob []
>>>  Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:59 PM
>>>  To: Bill Quackenbush (E-mail)
>>>  Cc:
>>  > Subject: RE: [802SEC] Get802 program has been restored to former terms
>>  > and conditions through May 15
>>  >
>>  > Paul:
>>  >
>>  > Does this resolution imply that a check should be cut to IEEE-SA?
>>>  Bill:
>>>  I'll support your request for an SEC email ballot to release the funds if
>>>  you feel it is nessary, or equally support a decision to proceed on the
>>>  restoration of the program.
>>>  --Bob
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: Paul Nikolich []
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:07 AM
>>>  To: 'IEEE802'
>>>  Cc: 'Walker, Jerry';
>>>  Subject: [802SEC] Get802 program has been restored to former terms and
>>  > conditions through May 15
>>  >
>>  > All,
>>  >
>>  > I just received a note from Jerry Walker/Karen Rupp that the 
>>Get802 program
>>  > has been restored by the BoG with unanimous approval (see below).
>>>  Please note that IEEE 802 and IEEE-SA have much work ahead to 
>>>figure out how
>>>  to keep the program operating under the current terms and 
>>>conditions.  Geoff
>>>  Thompson, Howard Frazier and myself are actively engaged with Jerry Walker
>>>  to identify alternatives to ensure adequate funds are in place to maintain
>>>  the program.
>>>  Regards,
>>>  --Paul Nikolich
>>>  Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Project
>>>  email:
>>>  cell:    857.205.0050
>>>  mail:   18 Bishops Lane, Lynnfield, MA 01940
>>>  ----------
>>>  Karen Rupp
>>>  To:    04/01/2002
>>>  cc:     Jerome Walker/STDS/STAFF/US/IEEE@IEEE
>>>  Subject:     Ballot Approved
>>>  All,
>>>  As an FYI, the motion below was approved with100% unanimous approval/
>>>  return as of today, 1 April.
>>>  Thank you for your quick response,
>>>  Karen
>>>  Move to delay implementing the above motion until May 15, which is the
>>>  one-year anniversary date for the program.  Additionally, the newly formed
>>>  802 Task Force shall provide by 30 April 2002, a mutually agreed upon
>>>  proposal for proceeding with the program, to the BOG for their
>>>  consideration.
>>>  Karen A. Rupp
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