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RE: [802SEC] Revised Rules Change to add a second SEC vice chair.

Bob's comments make sense to me.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Heile []
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:51 PM
To: Geoff Thompson;
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Revised Rules Change to add a second SEC vice chair.


I have a concern with the proposed change.  See my comment below

3.4.2 Voting Between Plenary Meetings
At times, it may become necessary for the Executive Committee to render a decision that
cannot be made prior to the close of one plenary but must be made prior to the following
plenary. The SEC electronic balloting mechanism may be used at the discretion of the
Chair or the
Vice Chair Acting Chair. The electronic balloting mechanism shall include a
means by which non SEC members can observe and comment on the discussion. Electronic Balloting
The Chair or the
acting Vice Chair shall issue, tally the results of the ballot and determine
the minimum duration of the ballot. A majority of eligible voting SEC members must
vote approve in order for the ballot to pass.


It is my view that this proposed change is out of scope to the proposed rules change, which was remove ambiguity of having 2 vice chairs and to establish clear succession.  The rules currently allow 2 individuals to run ballots, the chair and the vice chair. I could go to either one if I so chose.  The proposed change implies that now only one person can conduct ballots, either the chair or the acting chair, and introduces a whole new set of conditions of how to establish that the chair is incapacitated or unavailable.  Who makes that decision?  While this resolves the ambiguity, it also introduces a rules change which has nothing to go with the 2 vice chair issue.

If the scope is indeed as I described it then this section should read "at the discretion of the chair or the 1st vice chair..."  in 3.4.2 and "The Chair or the 1st Vice Chair shall..." in  This maintains the 2 person provision of the current rules and removes the ambiguity.

At 09:41 AM 7/9/02 -0700, Geoff Thompson wrote:
Please find attached my revised changes to the LMSC Operating Rules that, I believe, will address all of the concerns expressed during balloting and the comment resolution meeting on Sunday evening (July 7).

Change marks are against the existing rules and are shown in underscore and strikeout (and red in the screen version).

These changes will be the subject of a Rules Meeting to be held on Tuesday at 2:00 in the SEC meeting room in the Hyatt.

The goal of that meeting is to come to full agreement on these changes so they can be approved without further change as quickly as possible.

I'll see you at 2:00 PM


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