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Re: [802SEC] LMSC Rules Change Distribution and Ballot


The issue that the proposed change to section of the 802
Operating Rules attempts to at least partially address is that of
achieving quorum at interim WG/TAG meetings.  I offer the following
facts and thoughts.

1) 802 WGs/TAGs have two distinct styles of operation.

	* Some hold WG/TAG meetings only during 802 Plenary weeks and (with
rare exception) hold only interim task force meetings which have no
quorum requirement to conduct business (approve motions).

	* Others prefer to hold more frequent WG/TAG meetings.  They hold
plenary WG/TAG meetings during 802 Plenary weeks and hold interim WG/TAG
meetings  which have a quorum requirement to conduct business.

(I personally believe that both styles can work, that neither is
inherently superior to the other and that a WG/TAG should be free to
select the operation style that best fits their style and personality.)

2) The current 802 rules are significantly asymmetric with respect to
acquiring and retaining working group membership.

	* Membership may be acquired in four months by attending two successive
plenary meetings plus an intervening interim meeting.

	* Membership may be retained for as long as 16 or 18 months after the
last meeting attended, depending upon whether the last meeting attended
was respectively a plenary or interim meeting, and membership may be
retained without any interim meeting attendance.

3) It is not uncommon for individuals to become members of a WG/TAG when
certain issues are before the group and then disappear for the rest of a
project or the next project.  This behavior in combination with the
significant asymmetry of the membership acquisition and retention rules
unnecessarily burdens the ability of those who continue to attend the
meetings of that WG/TAG to conduct business by raising the quorum requirement.

4) The current membership retention requirements make it very difficult
to ensure a quorum at an interim WG/TAG meetings.

5) There are a number of individuals (I being one) that believe that
allowing interim WG/TAG meeting to conduct business without a quorum is
poor policy and an invitation to potential abuse.

The purpose of the proposed 802 rule change is to minimize the
asymmetery between membership acquisition and retention rules.


aka Bill Quackenbush
Treasurer, P802 LMSC

Geoff Thompson wrote:
> Colleages-
> This is a distribution of proposed changes to the 802 (LMSC) Operating
> Rules to participants in IEEE Project 802.
> This also constitutes initiation of an 30 day ballot of the Exec (SEC)
> on the same material
> Working Group Chairs and other members of the Exec need to cast their
> vote by close of ballot which is midnight (Pacific Time) October 13.
> Sufficient time should be allowed before casting your ballot so that
> your constituency can provide you feedback to consider in formulating
> your position. [WG Chairs, please redistribute this to your WG lists
> and invite your WG members to comment through you.]
> [Also, please note that the closing date that Vice-Chair Mat Sherman
> set on the procedure for electronic balloting was incorrectly set at
> 60 days (10/28/02) after mailing. It is hereby reset to October 13 as
> above.]
> If comments are received, a comment resolution meeting will be held on
> Sunday evening immediately preceding the Plenary Week in Kauai.
> A brief description of the changes are listed below:
>      1)      A modification to  rules regarding membership
>      retention requirements to more accurately reflect the profile of
>      our active membership. (ref: Prop5-1-3-2.pdf)
>      2)      A set of changes to support the addition of the Radio
>      Regulatory TAG to our organization. (ref: 18-02-011r0.pdf)
> The text of each of the proposed changes are attached to this mailing.
> As a member of IEEE Project 802 you are encouraged to carefully review
> the proposed rule changes and ask questions of, or forward any
> comments to, a representative on the LMSC SEC well before the closure
> of the SEC ballot.  SEC members will carefully consider your comments
> and suggestions as part of the balloting process.
> Geoff Thompson
> 1st Vice Chair, IEEE 802 LMSC
>                       Name: Prop5-1-3-2.pdf
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