Re: [802SEC] Should we continue to meet in Hawaii?
There are in fact several quite good restaurants in that corner of the
island, but not within walking distance of the HRK or Sheraton and
unless you have been there before on vacation and had a chance to
explore or you are with someone who has, you are not very likely to find them.
That said, my initial comment that such venues are a "waste" stands.
Thanks,
wlq
Mike Takefman wrote:
>
> This was my second 802 meeting in hawaii, the first
> time I spent 20 odd hours in transit to then spend
> 4 days sitting in meeting rooms, only to return
> on the red-eye with another 20 odd hour transit time.
>
> This time I brought my family and we spent an extra
> week afterwards. But, frankly, even for a "free"
> vacation, it was a hell of a trek for them and we
> broke up the travel over 2 days given the age of
> my kids, so I guess I beat the 20 hour mark!
>
> Overall, I come to 802 meetings to get too much work
> done in too short a period of time. I care about meeting
> space quality and availability and at least a few decent
> restaurants in the vicinity. Frankly, I want locations
> that are EASY to get to. I, nor my company do not
> need to pay extra for a stunning property or location.
>
> mike
>
> "Stevenson, Carl R (Carl)" wrote:
> >
> > I also agree ...
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bill Quackenbush [mailto:billq@attglobal.net]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:52 PM
> > > To: Geoff Thompson
> > > Cc: Tony Jeffree; pat_thaler@agilent.com; stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Should we continue to meet in Hawaii?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While I am ignorant of meeting costs on the western side of
> > > the Pacific
> > > Rim, I am in general in agreement with the sentiments expressed by
> > > Geoff, Tony and Pat.
> > >
> > > Please don't get me wrong, I greatly enjoy Hawaii as a vacation
> > > destination and I enjoy Kauai in particular. The Hyatt
> > > Regency Kauai is
> > > a first class hotel. But our purpose is business and for
> > > that purpose,
> > > such venues are a "waste". A waste because we pay a significantly
> > > higher rate and have little or no time to enjoy what we pay
> > > extra for.
> > > For those who arrive early, stay late or just skip some of
> > > the meetings,
> > > a venue like Kauai is a low cost or free vacation. For those who do
> > > none of those, it is a waste.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > wlq
> > >
> > > Geoff Thompson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Given the high costs of having it in Hawaii (and possibly
> > > Japan) we could
> > > > probably net people ahead by having it in Australia, New
> > > Zealand or Korea.
> > > >
> > > > If we were really doing this in Hawaii for (1) business and (2) the
> > > > convenience of folks from the Far East then we would be
> > > having the meetings
> > > > on Oahu. Let's not kid ourselves. we come here for the
> > > resort factor,
> > > > appropriate or not.
> > > >
> > > > Geoff
> > > >
> > > > At 08:24 AM 11/12/2002 +0000, Tony Jeffree wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >At 01:21 12/11/2002 -0700, pat_thaler@agilent.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>Colleagues,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>The original rationale for meeting in Hawaii was to meet
> > > our Pacific Rim
> > > > >>attendees halfway once every two years. We reached this
> > > decision many
> > > > >>years ago after an unsuccessful search for economically
> > > feasible venues
> > > > >>in Australia, Japan, etc.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>The previous search was done before the recesion in Japan
> > > and neighbors.
> > > > >>Also, there have been new venues constructed since then.
> > > For instance,
> > > > >>the IETF had a meeting in Yokohama at the Yokohama Grand
> > > > >>Inter-Continental Hotel. There is a Pan Pacific Hotel
> > > across the street
> > > > >>for overflow.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Given the costs of meeting in Hawaii, the SEC should
> > > investigate the
> > > > >>possibility of meeting on the West side of the Pacific
> > > instead of in the
> > > > >>middle.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Pat
> > > > >
> > > > >I agree.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Regards,
> > > > >Tony
> > > > >
> > >
>
> --
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