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FW: [802SEC] Ballot periods


I believe that we screwed up on this one. I thoroughly support your
The SA staff is in no better shape than we are in this area and remember
that, in spite of VERY long standing practice we had NO FOUNDATION
WHATSOEVER in our OR/P&P for any recirc to less than 30 days for the
majority of the last 20 years.

It is my position that Roger was incorrect when he said that we should
defer to whatever staff decides to do. This is an area where we could
an appeal. I believe that the SA should be providing balloting services
Sponsors under Sponsor rules. Sponsors, in turn, are supposed to get
P&P approved by AudCom. It is not a rigorous system. Paul ultimately is
the hook for the decision.

I would like to take him off the hook...
         ...assure that there is adequate time for review
         ...and remove any uncertainty regarding our system.

My position will be that, with an underlying rationale to see that the
ballot is in hand for at least 10 days, our rules need to say that all
ballot (i.e. Working Group and LMSC) recirculations will be at least 15
days from the timestamp of the announcing e-mail until the close of

Thanks for grabbing the ball on this.


At 12:41 PM 1/24/2003 -0800, Grow, Bob wrote:

>This is to inform you that I intend to propose a rules change to
>minimum ballot periods for our Sponsor ballots.  I also intend to raise
>the issue of ballot periods to ProCom for all SA ballots.  It is now
>to me that the ballot center does not enforce any particular ballot
>period.  (I also can't find any rules/P&P that requires them to enforce
>any arbitrary minimum.)  I believe the ballot center operates to a
>-- the ballot being open for some period of time on 10 dates in the US
>eastern time zone (probably restricted by the announcement being sent
>during their working hours).  In an exchange trying to determine how
>ballot center counted "days", I postulate what I thought was a
>question asking if the period would be have to be 10 days (i.e., 10 *
>hours) or only 10 calendar dates.  At the time the question was posed,
>thought the ballot center was enforcing a minimum ballot period  what I
>got in response was an offer for a SB recirculation period a day
>(i.e., days).
>I just received a particularly onerous example of what is being allowed
>the ballot center.  I received the announcement slightly before noon
>Pacific Time.  The ballot closes on February 2 at 11:59 pm EST.
>So, for me, I have 9.375 days to respond (and four of those days are on
>weekend).  For many international participants, they realistically will
>have much less time with this ballot (many won't see the announcement
>until their Monday morning).  If one or two of you would like to review
>proposed rules change text prior to distribution to the SEC I would
>appreciate a response.
>Bob Grow
>Chair, IEEE 802.3 Working Group