RE: [802SEC] idea on new rules for membership in startup WGs
My personal preference is that it be left open to the chairs discretion
as it currently is.
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From: Johnston, Dj [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: RE: [802SEC] idea on new rules for membership in startup WGs
I find a lot of merit in that proposal also. It appears to address the
concerns I vocalised to the EC last week and I suspect will address the
concerns that led to the proposed membership rules changes in the first
It leaves open to the LMSC chair whether to choose to appoint the SG
chair as the interim chair or appoint someone else. I'm not sure whether
this is an ideal situation. We might want to give some guidance in the
rules, or allow the SG to give guidance on who the interim chair should
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> I like your suggestion. I heard a similar suggestion from
> Jerry on the
> ride to the Airport (Carl was there too). I would be happy to support
> it. I guess we could restart the process next plenary.
> Matthew Sherman
> Vice Chair, IEEE 802
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> Communications Technology Research
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> Subject: [802SEC] idea on new rules for membership in startup WGs
> Dear ExCom,
> On Friday, I had some stimulating discussions with Geoff, Jerry, and
> Mark on what would be a good set of membership rules for startup WGs.
> Some things said during the rules debate also played a role in my
> thinking. After reviewing the current rules again, I now have a very
> definite idea of a set of changes that would satisfy my concerns and
> would, I believe, also satisfy the other concerns I've heard. This
> proposal is simple, and it is philosophically compatible with our
> existing membership rules.
> Here is my proposal:
> (a) In 188.8.131.52, delete the first sentence and the following word
> ("All persons participating in the initial meeting of the Working
> Group become members of the Working Group. Thereafter,").
> (b) At the end of that first paragraph of 184.108.40.206, add the following:
> "In a new WG or TAG, all registered attendees may vote until such
> time as the first WG or TAG memberships are established."
> (c) In 5.1.2, change "Initial appointments, and temporary
> appointments to fill vacancies due to resignations or removals for
> cause, may be made by the Chair of the LMSC, and shall be valid until
> the end of the next Plenary session" to:
> "Initial appointments, and temporary appointments to fill vacancies
> due to resignations or removals for cause, may be made by the Chair
> of the LMSC. Temporary appointments shall be valid until the end of
> the next Plenary session. Initial appointments shall be valid until
> the end of the Plenary session in which the first WG or TAG
> memberships are established. Officer elections shall be scheduled for
> that session."
> Normally, the sequence would be:
> (1) WG initiated at Plenary #0. Interim Chair appointed.
> (2) WG holds interim session. Everyone votes.
> (3) WG meets at Plenary #1. Everyone votes.
> (4) WG holds interim session. Everyone votes.
> (5) WG meets at Plenary #2. Membership is attained at start of
> session by those who have participated in Plenary #1 and in one of
> the two interims. Only those members vote. Elections are held, and
> confirmed by EC. Elected officers assume office at end of plenary.
> Note that this would accommodate the CS rule that "voting privileges
> shall apply to all eligible attendees at the initial three meetings"
> (i.e., sessions). However, participation in just one of these three
> sessions would not suffice for membership. Membership would be earned
> the normal way, and there would be no elections until there were
> members. The Interim Chair appointment would become four sessions,
> instead of two under the current rules.
> I submit that this system could take a lot of the politics out of the
> WG startup period, giving the group time to settle.
> I'd appreciate your thoughts.