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RE: [802SEC] Under the radar: Been there, Done that !!!

Matt,  It is our standard policy to compare our list of registered attendees with the list of folks in the hotel, to help identify all those who got into the hotel via a non-802 link and make sure that we get credit for them.  We are currently adding language to our program guidelines to make this a mandatory policy as well.  Internet rates like the one Geoff got are called “teaser rates”; they only allow for a very limited number of reservations before they go away and get replaced with higher rates, but allow the hotel to advertise their “Bargain rates” widely.  It’s an industry-wide problem right now, and everyone has to struggle with it.  The hotel is the ultimate loser though because they wind up having to give us credit for rooms at lower than group rates.  Fortunately our rates at the Hyatt are just about as good as they get so I don’t expect too much “leakage” there.  Most of the other hotels in ABQ are struggling however so we insisted on deals with no attrition penalties, since rates will fluctuate wildly as they start to fill up. 


Usually our rates are at least as good as the best corporate rates, but when you book several years in advance and encounter an industry-wide recession as we have ongoing now it’s possible for the rates to wind up out of synch with the times.  It’s great when it works in our favor during boom-times, but a bit harder to deal with when it goes the other direction.  All things considered I think we continue to get good rates overall even if we do have an occasional glitch. 


Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721

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Subject: RE: [802SEC] Under the radar: Been there, Done that !!!




As a note, I frequently find my corporate rate is less than the IEEE802 negotiated rate.  It becomes difficult to convince the company that they should honor the 802 rate and be a part of the 802 block when they can get the same hotel at a cheaper rate in their own name.  Normally what I do in such a situation is book the AT&T rate, and then tell Face to Face who moves me into the 802 block at the AT&T rate.  I would assume that when we negotiate these contracts that we formalize the ability to do this.  That is our contract should read that if one of the participants can register at a lower rate they may do so, but still count towards fulfilling our room requirements.  I might even put a note in the meeting announcements that people who negotiate a cheaper rate at the same hotel should take it and inform face to face so that we make sure the hotel counts them on our booking.


Anyway, it’s just a thought.




Matthew Sherman
Vice Chair, IEEE 802
Technology Consultant
Communications Technology Research
AT&T Labs - Shannon Laboratory
Room B255, Building 103
180 Park Avenue
P.O. Box 971
Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971
Phone: +1 (973) 236-6925
Fax: +1 (973) 360-5877

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From: Geoff Thompson []
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 5:07 PM
To: Rigsbee, Everett O
Cc: Geoff Thompson;;; 802 @F2F Dawn S; Darcel Moro; 802 @F2F Jennifer Hull; 802 Bill Quackenbush
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Under the radar: Been there, Done that !!!



Interesting that they are giving you "over 100 rooms" because:
        They only have 114 guest rooms total
        I have booked one of them

BTW, I got mine at the Internet rate of USD 69 + tax


At 02:43 PM 8/7/2003 -0700, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:

Geoff,  I hate to spoil your surprise but we have already contracted with the La Posada to provide over 100 rooms of overflow accommodations at an $89/$99 S/D rate for us, and we will be including their info in the meeting information package which goes out on Monday.  Next time you might want to check with us for what we have available before you start making such announcements.  It would generally NOT be a good idea

GENERALLY I wouldn't do this but when there are announcements that the meeting hotel can not accommodate us before the notice is even posted then I tend to quit worrying whether or not we will meet the block

for you to be promoting rooms outside our contracted blocks since that could cause us to undersell our contracted amounts and incur sometimes steep attrition penalties. 

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Thompson []
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: [802SEC] Under the radar: 11/03 Plenary Room Reservations

I have found a hotel that is actually VERY close to the Hyatt that slips
under most radar as it is no longer affiliated with a chain. It is less
than 2 blocks away from the Hyatt. that is a lot better than most
alternatives. It is also less expensive than the Hyatt.

 From its web page it looks charming.
I plan to book in.


La Posada de Albuquerque
125 2nd Street NW
Albuquerque NM 87102

Reservations: 800-777-5732
Direct: 505-242-9090


At 10:29 AM 8/7/2003 -0700, Jennifer Hull wrote:

>         As many of you are aware, there are a very limited number of
> rooms at the
>Hyatt Regency Albuquerque. We want to make sure that you have the
>opportunity to make your reservation at the Hyatt before the surge. To do
>so, please use the information below. Once the meeting announcement is
>posted (BY Monday, August 11), we expect the rooms at the Hyatt will go very
>Hyatt Regency Albuquerque
>330 Tijeras NW
>Albuquerque, NM  87102
>$129.00 Single/ Double
>Reservation Phone:  (505) 842-1234
>Toll Free:  (800) 233-1234
>Hotel Reservations Website:
>Please let us know if you encounter any problems in making your reservation.
>Hope to see you in Albuquerque!
>  Jennifer Hull and Dawn Slykhouse
>Face to Face Events
>2699 Iversen Ct
>Santa Clara, CA. 95051
>Tel: 408-241-8906
>Fax: 408-241-8918