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RE: [802SEC] +++EC Motion+++ Rules Change Ballot on Roll Call Votes


I vote disapprove on this ballot.  In order to change my vote to
approve, the following is required:

1. Remove all wording that would make a roll call vote conditional on
amount of time consumed in a meeting.

2. Add wording the prevents the chair from ignoring a motion made from
the floor to call for a roll call vote, i.e., a call for a roll call
vote can be made from the floor, when one has not been recognized by the
chair, when another has the floor, or when the chair has called for a
vote, but has not yet announced the result.


-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:34 PM
Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Motion+++ Rules Change Ballot on Roll Call Votes

Dear EC Members,

as per the motion at the November Plenary closing
EC meeting I am starting a (35 day)  ballot on
the proposed rule change. I am extending the ballot
to account for the upcoming US Thanksgiving holiday
(and yes Canada has such a holiday - its just a month

I will be running a face to face comment resolution session
during the January Interim Session to try to finalize
the language. I believe sunday night is the best time
to hold such a meeting, but I am open to other suggestions.

The language you will find enclosed is different (and
I believe improved) from what was shown at the EC meeting.

1) It attempts to provide better sentence structure
(less of a run-on sentence).
2) It addresses an issue brought up to me personally
by one of the 2 dissenting voters to the rules change
motion in terms of insuring that roll call votes cannot
be used as a delaying tactic.

Personally, I have only seen roll call votes used in dot17
sparingly and they have in fact helped me determine when a group
was attempting to block concensus / progress. As such, there
has never been an issue with their use as a delay tactic,
but I do have sympathy for such a concern.


Michael Takefman    
Distinguished Engineer,       Cisco Systems
Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
voice: 613-254-3399       cell:613-220-6991