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Re: [802SEC] WG membership rules

Adrian -

I believe that is how I have interpreted the rules to date - i.e., if you lose membership because you fail in your obligations (voting, paying fees etc) then you lose your vote and all accumulated credit. This text probably got mangled, to its detriment, in the process of installing it in the WG P&P, because it certainly was clear at one point.


On 21 February 2014 07:34, Stephens, Adrian P <> wrote:

Dear SEC,


If you are responsible for maintaining voting status for your WG, please respond to the

question at the end of this email.


A query by an 802.11 member causes me to question how I’ve interpreted the WG P&P regarding

loss of membership through non-attendance.


The WG P&P State: (my highlight)


7.2.2. Retention

Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the last four plenary sessions. One duly

constituted interim WG or task group session may be substituted for one of the two plenary



7.2.3. Loss

Excepting recirculation letter ballots membership may be lost if two of the last three WG letter

ballots are not returned, or are returned with an abstention for other than “lack of technical

expertise.” This rule may be excused by the WG Chair if the individual is otherwise an active

participant. If lost per this subclause, membership is re-established as if the person were a new

candidate member.



It describes how to retain membership by participation,  but does not state what happens

if the member fails to maintain membership.    In the case of failure to return ballots,  it is

explicit that the member is reset as though a new member.


So,  the rules are ambiguous.   You could interpolate a rule similar to the highlighted case

for non-attendance (which I have unconsciously done in 802.11).  In doing so,  I am following

previous 802.11 vice chairs’ interpretation.


We have a member with the following attendances

03 2013 - No (plenary)

05 2013 - No (interim)

07 2013 - Yes (plenary)

09 2013 - No (interim)

11 2013 - No (plenary)  (loses voting rights)

01 2013 - Yes (interim)

03 2013 - Yes (plenary)


According to the “everything reset” interpretation,  the member is an aspirant at the

start of march.   According to the “2 in last 4 plenaries, regardless of loss of voting rights in this period”

interpretation,  he is a potential voter.


The implication of the “does not reset” interpretation is that a member never transitions to non-member

directly,  but always transitions first to aspirant.  And then later transitions to non-member.



IMHO, your working groups must be operating one of the following two rules:

1.       Resets to non-member,  loses previous attendances

2.       Reverts to aspirant,  keeps previous attendances for future gain to voting member.


Please let me know of these rule you are operating.   If it turns out we’re all doing the same thing,  we should

put that in the WG P&P. 



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