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Re: [802SEC] WG membership rules

Hi Adrian,

To answer what I understand your question to be, in IEEE 802.3, if a member fails to maintain voting membership through lack of attendance, they keep previous attendances for future gain to voting membership.

Best regards,


From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [] On Behalf Of Stephens, Adrian P
Sent: 21 February 2014 07:34
Subject: [802SEC] WG membership rules

Dear SEC,

If you are responsible for maintaining voting status for your WG, please respond to the 
question at the end of this email.

A query by an 802.11 member causes me to question how I've interpreted the WG P&P regarding
loss of membership through non-attendance.

The WG P&P State: (my highlight)

7.2.2. Retention
Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the last four plenary sessions. One duly 
constituted interim WG or task group session may be substituted for one of the two plenary 

7.2.3. Loss
Excepting recirculation letter ballots membership may be lost if two of the last three WG letter 
ballots are not returned, or are returned with an abstention for other than "lack of technical 
expertise." This rule may be excused by the WG Chair if the individual is otherwise an active 
participant. If lost per this subclause, membership is re-established as if the person were a new 
candidate member.

It describes how to retain membership by participation,  but does not state what happens
if the member fails to maintain membership.    In the case of failure to return ballots,  it is
explicit that the member is reset as though a new member.

So,  the rules are ambiguous.   You could interpolate a rule similar to the highlighted case
for non-attendance (which I have unconsciously done in 802.11).  In doing so,  I am following
previous 802.11 vice chairs' interpretation.

We have a member with the following attendances
03 2013 - No (plenary)
05 2013 - No (interim)
07 2013 - Yes (plenary)
09 2013 - No (interim)
11 2013 - No (plenary)  (loses voting rights)
01 2013 - Yes (interim)
03 2013 - Yes (plenary)

According to the "everything reset" interpretation,  the member is an aspirant at the
start of march.   According to the "2 in last 4 plenaries, regardless of loss of voting rights in this period"
interpretation,  he is a potential voter.

The implication of the "does not reset" interpretation is that a member never transitions to non-member
directly,  but always transitions first to aspirant.  And then later transitions to non-member.

IMHO, your working groups must be operating one of the following two rules:
1.       Resets to non-member,  loses previous attendances
2.       Reverts to aspirant,  keeps previous attendances for future gain to voting member.

Please let me know of these rule you are operating.   If it turns out we're all doing the same thing,  we should
put that in the WG P&P.  

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