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Re: [802SEC] Review of subgroups



James,

 

Attached are the slides for 802.18.

 

I took the scope and duties directly from the Charter. Will that do for a summary?

 

As regards the statement on which of the following complementary activities is appropriate I made a slight edit on number 2 to make a better fit with the RR-TAG.

 

Let me know if you have any questions.

 

Best regards,

 

Mike

 

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From: James Gilb [mailto:jpgilb@gmail.com] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: 9 April, 2015 12:53
To: Michael Lynch; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Review of subgroups

 

Mike

 

Thanks for the info, could you add a short summary of it to your slides that you need to submit to me?

 

Thanks

 

James Gilb

 

On 04/09/2015 09:05 AM, Michael Lynch wrote:

> Pat and James,

> 

> The RR-TAG charter was approved by the "IEEE 802 LMSC SEC, July 2002". I'll try to find the minutes from that meeting when I get back here to my office later today.

> 

> In May, 2014, the RR-TAG reviewed the charter and found it to be

> correct. A link to the charter can be found on the 802.18 webpage,

> 

> Best regards,

> 

> Mike

> 

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> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Review of subgroups

> 

> Pat

> 

> Well, the good news is that each of the chairs would only be required to find their own scope motion.

> 

> Mike, I am pretty sure, knows the document we used to approve 802.18 as well as the date when it was approved.

> 

> In any event, I am not going to chase them down.

> 

> Going forward, we will review and, IMHO, reaffirm the scope yearly, hence the motions should be easy to find going forward.

> 

> James Gilb

> 

> On 04/08/2015 04:28 PM, Pat Thaler wrote:

>> The motions for the IETF and, I think, ITU subcommittees were last year so they should be easy to find and reference.

>> 802.24 we just approved a change to their scope so that motion should be easy to find.

>> 

>> 802.18 would be very difficult to unearth - that was formed years ago.

>> 

>> Pat

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

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>> Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 8:41 PM

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>> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Review of subgroups

>> 

>> Geoff

>> 

>> The scope is the scope that was assigned to it by the EC.  I won't

>> stop anyone from going back through the minutes to determine what the

>> motion was that formed the group.

>> 

>> James Gilb

>> 

>> On 04/05/2015 08:35 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:

>>> James-

>>> 

>>> It seems to me that (e.g.) the scope should be something more authoritative than just what the WG Chair says it is at the time of the survey.

>>> 

>>> Geoff

>>> 

>>>> On Apr 5, 2015, at 7:50 PMPDT, James P. K. Gilb <gilb@ieee.org> wrote:

>>>> 

>>>> Geoff

>>>> 

>>>> That would be fine with me.  After this, the subgroups could reference the previous review date by the EC.

>>>> 

>>>> Also: With respect to membership, what I meant to ask for was how memberships is determined for the subgroup.  For most of them standing committees, it is like a study group, everyone in the room can vote. The actions of these groups is advisory, so the impact of a vote is only to provide advice to the EC.

>>>> 

>>>> For the TAGs, membership is determined by the IEEE 802 WG P&P, so referencing the appropriate section would be correct.

>>>> 

>>>> James Gilb

>>>> 

>>>> On 04/03/2015 04:09 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:

>>>>> James-

>>>>> It would seem that we should have something more than a declaration by the sub-group chair that responds to the implied questions put forth by the headings.  Specifically with respect to:- Name of the subgroup

>>>>>      - Chair of the subgroup (appointed by the Sponsor Chair or

>>>>> decided by nomination and election)

>>>>>      - Scope of the subgroup

>>>>>      - Duties of the subgroup

>>>>> I believe that there should be references provided as to the motions (if they exist) that establish each of these items.

>>>>> Geoff

>>>>> 

>>>>>         On Friday, April 3, 2015 3:46 PM, James P. K. Gilb <gilb@ieee.org> wrote:

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>>     All

>>>>> 

>>>>> Our P&Ps states for "Other subgroups" that "The scope, duties, and

>>>>> membership of all subgroups shall be reviewed annually by the Sponsor."

>>>>> 

>>>>> The scope and duties of a Working Group (WG) are determined by the

>>>>> active PARs assinged to that WG.  The work of the WG in creating

>>>>> standards is reviewed by the EC multiple times and so does not

>>>>> fall into this requirement.

>>>>> 

>>>>> However, our TAGs and Standing Committees do not have PARs and so

>>>>> the Sponsor Chair has asked that we perform this review during our

>>>>> June 2015 Conference call and has assigned me the task of gathering the input.

>>>>> 

>>>>> So, I need from each Standing Committee Chair or TAG Chair, slides

>>>>> by May 1, 2015 that answer the following questions:

>>>>>      - Name of the subgroup

>>>>>      - Chair of the subgroup (appointed by the Sponsor Chair or

>>>>> decided by nomination and election)

>>>>>      - Scope of the subgroup

>>>>>      - Duties of the subgroup

>>>>>      - Membership of the subgroup

>>>>>      - A statement of which of the following complementary

>>>>> activities is

>>>>> appropriate:

>>>>>          1) The subgroup is responsible for the definitive content

>>>>> of one or more documents and for responding to views and objections thereon.

>>>>> Such subgroups shall maintain a membership roster and shall comply

>>>>> with the provisions for preparing standard(s).

>>>>>        2) The subgroup is responsible for assisting the Sponsor

>>>>> (e.g., drafting all or a portion of a document, drafting responses

>>>>> to comments, drafting public statements on standards, or other

>>>>> purely advisory functions).

>>>>> (I suspect all our "Other subgroups" are number 2).

>>>>> 

>>>>> I will create a single presentation and upload it to mentor.

>>>>> 

>>>>> The subgroups and Chairs that need to respond are (please correct

>>>>> me if I am wrong):

>>>>>      - IEEE 802.18 TAG - Mike Lynch

>>>>>      - IEEE 802.24 TAG - Tim Godfrey

>>>>>      - 802 EC/IETF Standing Committee - Pat Thaler

>>>>>      - 802 JTC1 Standing Committee - Andrew Myles

>>>>>      - 802 EC/ITU Standing Committee - Glenn Parsons

>>>>>      - Wireless Chairs Standing Committee - Bob Heile

>>>>> 

>>>>> Thanks for your help.

>>>>> 

>>>>> James Gilb

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