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The answer may be in your question. The apple IPod
can be charged from a USB charger, it does not require apple to change their
connector on the product, just the connector on the other end of the charging
cable.
I think we should leverage USB as much as possible, in
thought process and extensibiility as it has been extremely successful in the
marketplace
Mike From: upamd@xxxxxxxx [mailto:upamd@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Panepinto Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:16 PM To: UPAMD@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: 'Woolf, Karen (AS)' Subject: RE: Universal Power vs. Universal Physical Connector Hi
Karen: I
appreciate the detail you provided in your thinking on this topic. When I
look at the iPhone, iPad, iMac and iPod, it is clear these devices are extremely
popular. It’s unlikely that Apple is willing to change its connectors or
be forced to add a separate power connector. While
having everyone adopt a load-side power connector is the ideal, it will add
years to the time it will take to develop a standard, if ever possible with this
as a requirement. Seems
to me, first priority for the UPAMD is to eliminate eWaste caused by premature
disposal of power adapters designed to serve just one product. Other
benefits of UPAMD are energy savings, convenience and a wealth of energy
monitoring and control applications that are possible with a smart power
adaptor. The convenience of having every load device able to provide a
universal physical power connector may be too much to ask and can prevent the
group from succeeding. I
am just sharing my direct experience with executives from many of the world’s
largest CE vendors. Is this really a battle we want to wage now?
Might it behoove the UPAMD to develop the standard and later evolve towards a
common physical connector? We shouldn’t underestimate the resistance CE
vendors have to the concept of universal power. Forcing a physical
connector on their devices might be too much to ask. Just
my opinion. Thanks for sharing yours. Regards, Paul
Panepinto VP
Ecosystem Development Green
Plug, Inc. From: Woolf, Karen (AS)
[mailto:karen.woolf@xxxxxxx] With
regard to Paul's comments: I understand his
concerns with the difficulty of defining and making mandatory a physical
connector between the power cord and the mobile device, and I recognize the
challenge presented to manufacturers. We have to consider the current work
various countries and industry groups have done toward this goal, the
costs and form factor considerations for the devices themselves, and
the limitations that requirement might impose on power
supply flexibility. But I would say that far from being optional, this
is the MOST important of all of our goals. Both as a consumer
and as an engineer, I have experienced the frustration caused by having to
locate (and then organize and lug along) myriad power adapters
and cords before traveling or going to a test site - and the inevitable problems
that occur when one is forgotten, or one of the many all-too-similar plugs
turns out not to be the right one. I know it will be hard, and require a great
deal of coordination, to create universal, mandatory standard for this -
but from the user's point of view, the only thing harder to deal with than
the supply-side adapters needed for international travel is the tangle of cords
one has to manage in one's own home or workplace. If our team's work can
eliminate this problem, or at least significantly mitigate it, I think that
beyond the impact in our own technical worlds, we will have a concrete and
visible impact
in the daily life of ordinary consumers. So while it presents
a mighty big hill for us to climb, I'd like to encourage the group to think of
the potential benefits, in the longer term. After the short-term cost and design
impacts are dealt with, this could ultimately reduce costs as those
components become common. For the travel industry, imagine the benefits of every
plane, train, car, and hotel being able to make available to every customer
built-in power sources for most of their devices, without the cost of providing
dozens of form factors. For engineering teams, it would have a great impact if
we could take many of our measurement devices from a commercial site, to a
military base, to a testing lab, and not have to worry about having a power
source. Also, think of the "public relations" benefits to both IEEE and the
world of standards in general. While most of our standards have substantial
benefits to our industries and the public, most people don't know much about it.
Like the 1394 standards for wireless, this would provide another example of the
importance and usefulness of having and following standards that any consumer or
engineering manager could point to - which ultimately helps us all. To address concerns
that Paul (and others with similar - and perfectly legitimate! - worries) has
raised, maybe we should consider some areas of flexibility. For example, perhaps
we should make abundantly clear in our documents the difference between
providing power, and providing data transmission. Many devices currently have
one cable for both - but when the device is truly "being mobile", generally only
power supply is needed. We might consider some statement encouraging the use of
wireless means of data transfer to address this. While I know that wired
transfers are sometimes really necessary, so some devices may still need two
connections, it might help with the adoption process if we at least make it
clear that we haven't ignored that consideration. We also might consider having
more than one (although of course as small a number as possible) "standard"
connector devices can choose to use - just having two or three "choices" in our
standard might help it be applicable to a much wider range of devices, because
we could cover quite a lot of size and power-"quantity" concerns by offering
just a little flexibility. Sorry for having been
long-winded, team, but for those who haven't been on the list the whole time, I
hope it will be helpful to share some of my own personal reasoning behind this
goal. Karen
Woolf From: upamd@xxxxxxxx on
behalf of Paul Panepinto Hello: We’ve
gotten feedback that there are too many considerations to expect in a reasonable
timeframe the entire electronics industry to adopt a single load-side power
connector. Our approach is to view the universal power adapter as 3
components: (a) a power supply capable of powering any load within its maximum
output power range; (b) a universal connector on the power supply to allow
vendor-specific power cords to work with it, (c) the load-side power
connector. While
it is important for the power supply to offer a common physical connector so
that it can work with any load, in order to prevent getting bogged down in an
elusive attempt to develop a common load-side physical connector, perhaps the
latter can be an option and not a mandate. Is
there a reason this working group must define a mandatory, physical load-side
connector spec? Regards, Paul
Panepinto VP
Ecosystem Development Green
Plug, Inc. |