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Re: Needed input into Power Subgroup Voltage Options



There doesn't seem to be anything in the guidelines prohibiting talking about implementation costs, in fact, it seems they encourage that.  We're talking about the input costs in the implementation, not how much we expect people to charge.  And it seems to me, we're just talking about relative costs anyway.  A goal of making the UPAMD cheap to implement is both legal and expected.

Mark

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:41 PM, <M.Zaman@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

If you look at the patent slides.. slide 4 indicates from the link provided  http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/ under patent slides, its states:

lAll IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws.
lDon’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims.
lDon’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.
lRelative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings.
lTechnical considerations remain primary focus
lDon’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.
lDon’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.
lDon’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object.
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See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for more details.
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From:
Malia Zaman/STDS/STAFF/US/IEEE
To: <Gary_Verdun@xxxxxxxx>
Cc:
Date: 10/15/2010 02:32 PM
Subject: RE: Needed input into Power Subgroup Voltage Options




More details can be found on the IEEE PatCom site as well; http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/


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Malia Zaman
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From: <Gary_Verdun@xxxxxxxx>
To: <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <upamd@xxxxxxxx>
Date: 10/15/2010 02:23 PM
Subject: RE: Needed input into Power Subgroup Voltage Options
Sent by: upamd@xxxxxxxx





Paul,
 
I believe filling in the voltage options request you sent out would be in violation of antitrust guidelines. I would recommend that no one on this committee complete the requested form without reviewing the antitrust guidelines.
 
According to the guideline we can discuss relative cost differential of certain options and even then we need to be very careful.
 I have attached the IEEE antitrust guidelines and suggest everyone in your sub team look it over very carefully before having any discussion about cost.
 
If any cost or price information exchanges hands that does not meet these guidelines Dell will immediately withdraw participation from the committee.
 
 
Regards,
 
 
Gary Verdun
Technology Strategist
Dell | Office of the CTO
office + 1 512 723 6251, fax + 1 512 723 9929
CTO Office on One Dell Way
 
From: upamd@xxxxxxxx [mailto:upamd@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Panepinto
Sent:
Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:12 AM
To:
'upamd@xxxxxxxx'
Subject:
Needed input into Power Subgroup Voltage Options

 
Hello:
 
Per the UPAMD general group meeting today, I am sending this request for your input into an important criteria for the Power Subgroup.
 
Attached, please see the 10/7/2010 meeting notes and the agenda for the 10/21/2010 meeting.  We need more participation as we decide the requirements for valid voltage(s).  We’ve looked at 5 options described in the attached file.  Please add your analysis of how each option impacts cost, size, efficiency, etc. before the 10/21 meeting.
 
So far, the group prefers a single voltage with a broad tolerance, i.e. 21V +/- 3V.  This broad range accounts for voltage changes with different cable lengths, pin sizes, current drawn, etc.  But can a single voltage be efficiently used by products as different as cordless phones, digital picture frames, laptops, printers and external storage devices?  Would it be more cost effective to require sinks to regulate input voltages that may vary between 18V and 24V or to put the burden of voltage regulation on the power adapter such that the voltage at the sink is always 21V?  Creating a power adapter that can change its output voltage adds complexity, but may offer energy savings.  These are the issues we would like you to address in your analyses in the attached template.
 
Your participation is important.  At the next Power Subgroup meeting, we will review your analyses and work towards a conclusion of the ideal voltage requirements for this spec.  From there, we will draft voltage and power criteria to be voted upon.  Then, we will look at issues surrounding the remaining goals including power for communications, ability to be both a sink and a source, power for both battery and non-battery devices, operation with unstable sources of power,
 
Next Power Subgroup Meeting:
7am Pacific, Thursday, October 21st
10am Eastern, Thursday, October 21st
3pm London, October 21st
10pm Taiwan, October 21st
11pm Japan, October 21st
 
See you on the October 21st meeting.  And, thanks for your input.
 
Regards,
 
Paul Panepinto
UPAMD Power Subgroup Chair
(970) 461-3077
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