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RE: [PP-DIALOG] clarifying 'RAND'



Title: RE: [PP-DIALOG] clarifying 'RAND'

I, as will many other members come Monday the 27th, agree with Michelle.  The idea of defining RAND as proposed is unnecessary and disproportionately favors one business model over another – I refer folks to the in depth discussion we submitted last week.  This alone is a very good reason for an SDO to not get involved, or find a better approach.  This is even more important when a consensus of the concerned membership does not support such changes.   We do not even need to get to the legal liabilities argument and the various opinions on the matter (in the end, only one opinion matters:  outside counsel for IEEE.)

 

Still, the IP value an engineer needs to make a cost/benefit decision goes far beyond the simplicity of the price paid.  The terms of a license can be more important than the price, evidenced by the folks who follow a business plan using an RF strategy.  To them, every LOA will indicate RF.  Of course, this information can already be found on most of these company’s websites.  So how about the impact on the other part of the IEEE membership, the non-RF folks?  Or is this to be minimized or not considered?

 


From: Michelle Lee [mailto:mleelaw@nortel.com]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:24 PM
To: PP-DIALOG@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [PP-DIALOG] clarifying 'RAND'

 

Hi Scott,

With all due respect, I disagree that the proposed definition of "reasonable rates or terms" is necessary or desirable for IEEE.   We do not support or accept this definition.

(1) The definition of "reasonable" is not a clarification. It is a conceptual legal bound on royalties that can be earned for any IEEE standardized technologies and is an imbalance in favour of user markets.

(2) IEEE cannot dictate a licensing commitment by agreement or dictate what licensing commitment patent holders make.  In my view, that is not voluntary.

(3) The proposed standard is based on a philosophical view that wrongly assumes licensing on RAND is entirely subjective without market, business, bargaining or objective legal constraints or incentives to act reasonably or come to reasonable terms in negotiation.

(4) How can a new reasonable royalty test not alter rights, remedies or laws when it overrides the judicial legal test for reasonable royalty under Georgia-Pacific law?  IEEE does not have the authority to impose or agree upon a new test to assess reasonable royalties for patent infringement and rights to use standardized technologies. 

(5) This test inappropriately treats all inventions alike (at the minimum) without regard to the advancement of the particular technology and its value add. Limiting value and royalty earnings to less than technology owners can expect to earn in the market for the technology is unreasonable by definition.

 
(6) Licensees that wish to access and use a proprietary technology before it is a standard that is available to all implementers are not practicing an IEEE standard and are not similarly situated to licensees that implement the adopted standard. Even if an assurance has been given, patent holders are not obliged to be willing to license its technology on RAND terms before it is adopted and is essential to practice the standard. Assessing royalties based on what parties would agree to before the standard is adopted is therefore not suitable or appropriate.

(7)  A definition like this will only serve to keep out advances or superior technologies from IEEE standards.  I don't see the benefits to IEEE standards (which are trying to become more international) to ask for an agreement or policy that eliminates or reduces incentives to attract the best technologies to IEEE standards and the willingness of patent holder developers to make available licenses in the first place.

(8)  This new test will not reduce litigation and will likely drag IEEE into legal disputes over whether the test is fair, unbiased and appropriate or the terms are reasonable under it.

(9)  The vast majority of licenses are more likely pro-competitive. How many disputes or complaints has IEEE received or have there been over "reasonable royalty" involving IEEE standards?

Kind regards,
Michelle

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Peterson, Scott K (HP Legal) [mailto:scott.k.peterson@HP.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:20 PM
To: PP-DIALOG@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [PP-DIALOG] clarifying 'RAND'

 

I have heard concerns expressed about some sort of external impact of providing more specificity as to what is meant by 'RAND' in the IEEE's policy. Those concerns are based on a misunderstanding of what is being clarified.

The proposed policy change provides greater clarity as to what licensing commitment the IEEE is asking patent owners to voluntarily make.

It does not change the meaning of that phrase in any more global context; for example, the proposed policy change does not purport to change the law concerning the measure of patent infringement damages.

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