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RE: stds-802-mobility: Hand-off question



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All,

We had extensive discussion of this during the MBWA ECSG and, as Mark mentioned, it is included in the 5 Criteria
document that is associated with this project.  Higher layer issues are important to us even though 802.20
only defines
 the MAC and PHY layers of the standard.   Handoff clearly extends beyond the MAC and PHY and we may or
may not need cooperation with other SDOs for the work that is within 802.20
 For example, I note that some systems are
able to handoff to and from 802.11 without any modifications to 802.11, so the extent of cooperation needed between 802.20
and others is not a given.  I agree with Scott that MBWA will have to exist and coexist in a world of multiple systems and with handoff among them, including between 802.20 and other systems as per the ITU-R diagram.

I believe the key question is what can/should 802.20 do either within its own domain or in cooperation with other bodies to
promote achievement of that objective in the most technically efficient manner as possible?  We should not undertake any
effort that 
complicates the problem further for either 802.20 or any of the other SDOs working on systems that could be
involved in such a handoff.  Surely an MBWA system would handoff not only to systems that currently exist, but also to their more evolved varients than are currently being developed
.   For example, how would such a project be affected by harmonization
work between 3GPP and 3GPP2? 
Andrew also makes a good point about the work underway in other bodies, too.

This is not on the agenda for our May meeting.  Can this be added  or maybe its "new business"?  I believe that we should
begin a discussion about 
how to address this issue in the context of collaboration with others, as opposed to a discussion
about what needs to be done technically within 802.20.

Additionally, there seemed to be very few 802.20 representatives involved in the 802 Handoff Call for Interest in March. There
is now a Handoff ECSG to look at a "cross 802" handoff project.  I continue to believe that approach would complicate 802.20's
task vis a vis work with other (external) SDOs with very little technical merit.  How 802.20 deals with this project (or not) should
also be a topic for discussion in May.  Again, this looks like "new business". 

Finally, in my humble opinion, while this is an important topic, our number one priority should be on developing a high performance 802.20 standard.  Let us not allow the handoff discussion de-focus us from the development of the 802.20 air interface
itself.  Handoff is irrelevant in the absence of an exceptional 802.20 system brought to market in a timely manner.

Best regards,

Joanne

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-mobility@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-mobility@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Mark Klerer
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 11:03 AM
To: 'Joseph Cleveland'; 'djames@arraycomm.com'; arsha@optonline.net; stds-802-mobility@ieee.org
Subject: RE: stds-802-mobility: Hand-off question

Hi

 

I would like to reiterate that the Five Criteria (as approved) indicate that this is a topic that needs to be addressed (the decision could be that it is not important to the user community - though I doubt that). Some of the issues will be related to layers above the PHY and MAC and will have to be worked in collaboration with other bodies. Similarly we will need to identify what 2.5G/3G technologies we need to interoperate with as we go forward and the 3G market unfolds.

 

Mark Klerer

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Cleveland [mailto:JClevela@sta.samsung.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 10:34 AM
To: 'djames@arraycomm.com'; arsha@optonline.net; stds-802-mobility@ieee.org
Subject: RE: stds-802-mobility: Hand-off question

 

If handoff across air interfaces is not supported, users will need multiple handsets.  Do we really want this situation?

 

Joseph Cleveland

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave James (UK) [mailto:djames@arraycomm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:55 AM
To: arsha@optonline.net; stds-802-mobility@ieee.org
Subject: RE: stds-802-mobility: Hand-off question

What could be the purpose ?  MBWA is just that - truly broadband, not 3G at all.......

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-mobility@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-mobility@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Prem Pungaliya
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 6:17 PM
To: stds-802-mobility@ieee.org
Subject: stds-802-mobility: Hand-off question

Will handoff be supported between 802.20 and public 3G?