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RE: [802SEC] +++SEC Ballot: Rules change for Wireless PARs+++


I already voted disapprove on both rules changes.  See text of my comments

On Jan 25:


I vote disapprove on this rules change.

We do not need to create standing committees.  We have a mechanism
within our existing rules, Technical Advisory Groups, which provide for
addressing cross working group issues. TAGs are chartered to develop
recommended practices, guidelines and reports.  The TAG scope is
sufficient to cover 802's near term coexistance (develop a recommended
pratice) and regulatory (issue reports) needs.   I agree the TAG rules
do need to be modified to allow TAG participants to get WG attendance
credit and ensure fair representation across the WGs that are interested
and affected by that particular TAGs output, but these modifications
would be relatively lightweight as compared to the proposed Standing
Committee rules change.

For example, I recommend modifying 5.2 as follows, changes in <<<..>>>:

[1st para] The function of a Technical Advisory Group is to provide
assistance to Working Groups <<<or the SEC>>>.

e) Any report generated by at TAG that is forwarded to any Working Group
<<<or the SEC>>> in the name of the TAG, needs to get 75% approval vote
of the TAG members present who vote "approve" and "do not approve".
<<<A record of the dissenting votes and comments shall be included in
the report.>>>

<<<f) In order to be a member of a TAG, a participant shall be a member
of a WG.  Attendance at a TAG meeting counts toward a participant's WG


--Paul Nikolich
On Feb 25:

I vote DISAPPROVE on the Wireless PAR rules change.


1) Delete 'wireless' in 6.4.d
Both wireless and wired standards need to be concerned with conformity to
regulatory rules.  They both need to be concerned with spectrum sharing.

2) Regulatory conformance and spectrum sharing are two different items.
Perhaps spectrum sharing should be part of 6.2 Compatibility?  We can expand
the scope of 'Interworking Documents' to include 'Coexistance Documents'.
The problem is we don't have a document to reference that provides a good
definition of coexistance yet.  This is something that I think a TAG should
be formed to resolve via a Recommended Practice or Guideline.  We should
also keep in mind that both WIRED and WIRELESS projects need to be concerned
about spectrum sharing and coexistance.  For example in the WIRED case, EFM
signals traveling over wire pairs in a twisted pair bundle must coexist with
the other signals resident in the other wire pairs.

3) Delete the footnote

Recommended wording:

6.4.d) compliance with existing regulatory rules

6.2)--no specific wording comes to mind at this time.  IF we had a
'Coexistance Guideline' it could be added to the end of the second sentence:
"All standards shall be in conformance with the IEEE 802.1 Architecture,
Management, and Interworking documents as follows: 802 Overview and
Architecture, 802.1D, 802.1Q, parts of 802.1f AND MEET THE 802TAG


Paul Nikolich

-----Original Message-----
From: Hayes, Vic (Vic) []
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 1:05 PM
To: Everett.Rigsbee; Nikolich, Paul; Takefman, Mike; Thompson, Geoff
802.3 chair
Subject: FW: [802SEC] +++SEC Ballot: Rules change for Wireless PARs+++

I note that I have not received your vote yet.

Could you please vote ASAP?


Vic Hayes
Agere Systems Nederland B.V., formerly Lucent Technologies
Zadelstede 1-10
3431 JZ  Nieuwegein, the Netherlands
Phone: +31 30 609 7528 (Time Zone UTC + 1)
FAX: +31 30 609 7498

-----Original Message-----
From: Hayes, Vic (Vic) []
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 12:51 PM
To: 802.0 reflector
Subject: [802SEC] +++SEC Ballot: Rules change for Wireless PARs+++

Dear SEC,
Per the motion passed at the November 2001 meeting, attached you will find
the proposal for the IEEE 802 Rules change to require an additional item for
item to be addressed in PARs regarding spectrum and co-existence for e-mail
In addition, you will find the collection of comments received to a call for
comments from the .1, .3, .11, .15 and .16 reflectors.
The ballot opened January 24, 8 AM EDT and closes February 10 5pm EDT. As
the SEC appointed me as the driver of the rules change, I respectfully
request that you send your vote to me.

Vic Hayes
Agere Systems Nederland B.V., formerly Lucent Technologies
Zadelstede 1-10
3431 JZ  Nieuwegein, the Netherlands
Phone: +31 30 609 7528 (Time Zone UTC + 1)
FAX: +31 30 609 7498