RE: [802SEC] Get802 Program SEC ballot
Bill:
I think SA is looking for corporate members, something different than being
a sponsor of Get802 (either a marketing expense or charitable contribution).
The SA does outline a benefit proposition for corporate members on their web
pages http://www.standards.ieee.org/sa-mem/corporate.html#corpmembership.
Get802's returns are largely intangable, though there is some subscription
benefit (per Roger's emails).
--Bob Grow
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Quackenbush [mailto:billq@attglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:43 AM
To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Get802 Program SEC ballot
All,
I am sure that I am well behind the curve on this issue, so would
someone give me some help?
I was under the impression that the SA was looking for SA sponsors.
What Howard appears to be talking about is a Get802 sponsor or sponsors.
Are in fact two different types of sponsorship (SA and Get802) being
talked about or have I not returned from lunch?
Regardless of whether there are one, two or more types of sponsorship
being discussed, what is the value proposition for a sponsor for each
type of sponsorship.
Thanks for the help.
wlq
"Roger B. Marks" wrote:
>
> IEEE could offer a sweetener to potential sponsors: they could give
> them free access to 802 drafts. It's not much, but it IS an
> incentive, because the drafts are not included in the IEL.
>
> You could buy a lot of drafts for the kind of money IEEE is seeking;
> alternatively, you could buy an Enterprise 802 subscription,
> including drafts, for $11,950. So drafts alone won't the deal
> economically viable, but they could shift the equation slightly.
>
> Roger
>
> At 4:18 PM -0600 02/04/16, THALER,PAT (A-Roseville,ex1) wrote:
> >I agree with Howard's points 1 and 2, but I think that it
> >is unlikely that the desired level of funding will be
> >secured. When we were setting up the program (before the
> >economic downturn) it was already clear that there was
> >little interest from the corporations in sponsorship.
> >
> >Here is my perspective on why:
> >
> >I know that Agilent already subscribes to an IEEE program
> >that allows download of various IEEE publications including
> >the standards. Probably many of the other large corporations
> >do so. Therefore, making IEEE 802 standards available to
> >their own employees isn't a reason to support Get802. They are
> >already paying for them bundled with enough other things that
> >the price for their subscription wouldn't be changed by taking
> >Get802 out.
> >
> >I think the advertising benefit of a sponsorship is a
> >difficult proposition. The exposure of having a logo on
> >the website has minimal value. The other possiblity is
> >a charitable contribution, but most of the corporations
> >have a lot more compelling possiblities for charitable
> >contributions then free standards for underprivileged
> >engineers.
> >
> >Pat
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Howard Frazier [mailto:millardo@dominetsystems.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:05 AM
> >To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> >Subject: [802SEC] Get802 Program SEC ballot
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I suggest that the release of funds should be postponed
> >pending the outcome of the current work on the program,
> >for the following reasons:
> >
> >1) We have no committment to extend the program past
> >May 15, 2002.
> >
> >2) The IEEE staff has made clear their desire to alter
> >the program unless a significant level of corporate
> >sponsorship is secured.
> >
> >3) While several parties are working diligently to
> >secure corporate sponsorship for the program, the
> >desired level of funding has not yet been secured.
> >
> >4) Given 2 and 3, we don't know what the program will
> >be after May 15. If we send the 802
> >contribution before the negotiations have been
> >completed, we will be supporting a program that we
> >may or may not like, and we will loose a considerable
> >amount of leverage in the negotiations.
> >
> >In my opinion, the success or failure of Get802 does
> >not hinge on 802's direct financial contribution.
> >The LMSC funds represent a base level of funding for
> >Get802, and they turn out to be the one constant
> >in a shifting financial picture. Corporate sponsorship,
> >subscriptions, and sales of individual documents are
> >subject to many factors. Unfortunately, the past year
> >has been a truly lousy one for most of the networking
> >industry, so all of the financial components of the
> >Get802 program suffered mightily, with the exception
> >of the LMSC's contribution.
> >
> >If you believe in the Get802 program, and you want to
> >see it continue, here is what you must do:
> >
> > Apply all of your energy to securing corporate
> > sponsorship for the program. Work on your own
> > company, and work every contact you have in the
> > industry. Find volunteers in your WGs to do the
> > same. If each SEC member can convince a company
> > to sponsor Get802, the IEEE's financial goal will
> > be met.
> >
> >If the corporate sponsorship shows up, then we can
> >work with the IEEE staff to define the right program,
> >and send in our contribution. If the corporate
> >sponsorship doesn't show up, the program is toast,
> >and our financial contribution won't matter.
> >
> >Howard