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Re: [802SEC] Fwd: Gleaned from another group

Whether or not one worries about Robert's Rules vs.
whether one takes votes in a WG meeting are two entirely different issues.


At 06:26 PM 8/14/2003 +0100, Tony Jeffree wrote:
Absolutely. This is exactly why we don't take votes in 802.1 WG meetings.


At 09:35 11/08/2003 -0700, Geoff Thompson wrote:

Just saw this go by in a different (different fro what you may ask??) context...

It reminded me that the true power for putting forth successful standards is that they are consensus standards, not just that we can get material through the system.

(Emphasis below is added by me.)


From: "Lowell Johnson" <>
To: "'Donald Heirman'" <>, <>
Cc: <>
Subject: RE: pro-vote Voting task force from ProCom
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:16:55 -0500

Don and others;

I think Don's comments are really leading up to a very simple concept:
you can't legislate common sense, which is basically what the consensus
process is.  I have often told people that if they are worrying about
Robert's Rules, or any other sort of artificial control, they obviously
do not have consensus yet

Perhaps it would be easier to control what they should not do. However,
I personally think this would also be just as murky as Don suggested.

Maybe the best we (as IEEE) can do is require adherence to rigid rules
of openness and due process, then streamline the process for appeals to
deal with the simple issues quickly.


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