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RE: [802SEC] +++EC Motion+++ Rules Change Ballot on Roll Call Votes

I will admit to ambivalence on this rules change, both before and after
reviewing all the arguments.  That said, I will vote approve.

Since I probably will not be able to attend comment resolution:

I would support an increase in the threshold to >25% per Mike's email.  

I support Geoff's (and Bill's) grammatical improvement.  

I would not be opposed to Bill's recommended rewording.  (I believe the
"protection" of using roll calls as a delaying tactic is supportive of
the Chair's responsibility to progress the standard, but find it of
little practical value.)

--Bob Grow

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:owner-stds-802-
>] On Behalf Of Mike Takefman
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 8:34 PM
> To:
> Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Motion+++ Rules Change Ballot on Roll Call
> Dear EC Members,
> as per the motion at the November Plenary closing
> EC meeting I am starting a (35 day)  ballot on
> the proposed rule change. I am extending the ballot
> to account for the upcoming US Thanksgiving holiday
> (and yes Canada has such a holiday - its just a month
> earlier).
> I will be running a face to face comment resolution session
> during the January Interim Session to try to finalize
> the language. I believe sunday night is the best time
> to hold such a meeting, but I am open to other suggestions.
> The language you will find enclosed is different (and
> I believe improved) from what was shown at the EC meeting.
> 1) It attempts to provide better sentence structure
> (less of a run-on sentence).
> 2) It addresses an issue brought up to me personally
> by one of the 2 dissenting voters to the rules change
> motion in terms of insuring that roll call votes cannot
> be used as a delaying tactic.
> Personally, I have only seen roll call votes used in dot17
> sparingly and they have in fact helped me determine when a group
> was attempting to block concensus / progress. As such, there
> has never been an issue with their use as a delay tactic,
> but I do have sympathy for such a concern.
> cheers,
> mike
> --
> Michael Takefman    
> Distinguished Engineer,       Cisco Systems
> Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
> 3000 Innovation Dr, Ottawa, Canada, K2K 3E8
> voice: 613-254-3399       cell:613-220-6991