Re: [802SEC] ************** Straw Poll on EC Teleconferences ***************...
All,
The working groups get a lot of work done during telecoms, but
there is never any voting during these telecoms. I believe we have used
telecoms effectively for reviewing and discussing the rules changes.
However, we have not done any voting during these calls.
I think we should make good use of telecoms; however, I don't
believe there is any need to vote during a telecom. We can always run
an electronic letter ballot after the telecom.
Regards,
Steve
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[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 12:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] ************** Straw Poll on EC Teleconferences
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Roger -
I agree - I made my concerns pretty clear when the idea of having rules
change meetings by telecon was suggested - I believe that they are
basically an opportunity to disenfranchise participants from the
process.
Regards,
Tony
At 19:15 09/03/2005, Roger B. Marks wrote:
>Jerry,
>
>I agree with your point (2), but a bit more strongly. I will be
>opposed to any P&P change authorizing telecons. A procedure for an
>alternate would not address my concerns.
>
>When I submitted my ballot comment, I was also thinking about the
>problem of alternates. However, instead of thinking of telecons, I
>was thinking of the case in which an EC can't attend a meeting. I
>suggested that, in this case, the member could participate by phone.
>Here is a repeat of my comment:
>
>>(5) Regarding 7.1.5.2 ("Meetings by Teleconference"), I don't think
>>we need them and I am opposed to holding them. They might make sense
>>in an emergency, but they couldn't be used in an emergency because of
>>the 30-day notice required in this rule. The rule also fails to
>>specify who is entitled to call such a meeting, and on what grounds.
>>A better issue to address regarding telephone meetings is a provision
>>to allow telephone participation in EC meetings by members who are
>>ill, etc.
>>
>>Remedy: Delete 7.1.5.2. At the end of the first paragraph of 7.1.5,
>>add "Members of the Executive Committee may participate in and vote
>>in EC meetings by telephone if unable to attend due to illness or
>>other extraordinary circumstance."
>
>Roger
>
>
>At 13:12 -0500 2005-03-09, Jerry1upton@AOL.COM wrote:
>>
>>Mat,
>>I request that we vote the "Meetings by Teleconference" as a
>>separate item from the overall proposed changes.
>>My past experience on other "Boards" gives me significant concerns
>>on this proposal.
>>
>>1. Regardless of the notice given, people travel and are unavailable
>>for the calls at the times scheduled. Other Boards address this
>>issue by having assigned alternates who can vote for the primary
>>person. In our case we have no alternates to vote for us. Other
>>Boards also set a higher level of approval votes for teleconference
>>votes. For example 50% Yes votes of all eligible members regardless
>>of how many members are on the call is used by some organizations.
>>
>>2. We already have two methods/venues for voting. We vote at Plenary
>>sessions. We vote by email ballot including ballots of short
>>duration. Therefore I do not see the reason for another method
>>particularly without addressing the concerns in point number 1.
>>
>>Therefore I would currently oppose this P&P change.
>>Regards,
>>Jerry Upton
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 2/20/2005 4:32:16 PM Central Standard Time,
>>matthew.sherman@BAESYSTEMS.COM writes:
>>
>>EC Members,
>>
>>I am concerned that opposition on certain subtopics of the EC
>>Membership and Meetings' P&P Revision ballot may be so strong as to
>>defeat the whole ballot. Accordingly I wish to conduct a quick
>>strawpoll on the following.
>>
>>Is your opposition to the following text so strong that you would
>>vote against the 'EC Membership and Meetings' revision ballot
>>regardless of its other content?
>>
>>7.1.5.2 Meetings by Teleconference
>>
>>Teleconference meetings of the EC may be held. Any teleconference
>>meeting where formal business is conducted shall be announced along
>>with an agenda identifying topics to be addressed 30 days in advance
>>on the EC reflector. No formal actions can be taken on items not
>>included on the announced agenda. The teleconference shall be
>>announced by the EC Chair or his designee. Quorum and voting
>>requirements of section 7.1.4 shall apply. Openness requirements
>>apply.
>>
>>
>>If the answer to this question is yes, please send me a quick e-mail
>>so I can tally the opposition. If the answer is no, you need not
>>reply.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Mat
>>
>>
>>Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>>
>>Senior Member Technical Staff
>>
>>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>
>>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>>
>>email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>>
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