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RE: [802SEC] Issue items for BoG and 802 meeting in July 2002


I plan on finalizing the issues list for 802's discussion with the BoG by
Thursday 6/27.   My objective is send our list to the BoG Friday morning
(6/28) and request their list of issues to be added to ours in preparation
for our meeting 5-6pm Friday July 12th.

Please review the below.  (Roger, thank you for your comments).  If I don't
get any additional input by 6/27, I will assume the below list is


--Paul Nikolich
Chair, IEEE802

My reponse to Roger's comments:

I agree with Roger's comment that we need to be more specific with the
issues list.  My suggestions are as follows:

(0)--Add to Roger's words after the first sentence the following:
"In order to aid in understanding each others goals, clarify the roles and
responsibilities of the IEEE-SA Staff, IEEE-SA BoG and the IEEE 802

(1)--I like what Roger suggested.

(2)--The objective of the current Conformance/Certification policy must be
clarified.  IEEE 802 believes IEEE-SA should focus on exclusively on
facilitating the publication and maintainence of high quality standards, and
not get involved in conformance/certification activities.  Suggestion:
IEEE-SA should encourage product vendors to self-certify their
implementations using whatever process/mechanism is acceptable to the
product vendors and their customers.  This policy minimizes liability for
IEEE-SA and is pratical for the industry.

(3)--The Trademark policy is meant to establish IEEE-SA brand identity and
ensure proper acknowledgement in the marketplace.  802 agrees with the
objective.  Suggestion: the IEEE-SA ensure the trademark policy to be in
line with current industry practice.

-----Original Message-----
[]On Behalf Of Roger B.
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Issue items for BoG and 802 meeting in July 2002


I think we need to flesh out the concepts; for example, instead of saying
"trademark policy," we ought say what it is about the trademark policy that
is, or may become, a challenge for us. We should even go further and
advocate a position.

Personally, I would order the topics this way:

(0) The interests of the IEEE-SA are often out of alignment with those of
the volunteers, so that the two are too often working at cross purposes.
Suggestion: Ensure that staff values the standards developers and
understands their goals. Likewise, be open with volunteers concerning staff
goals. Be open to procedural changes to align the efforts.

(1) The high cost of standards limits the accessibility of our work and
makes IEEE less competitive in attracting standards programs. Suggestion:
Reconfigure the IEEE-SA as a lean organization able to thrive without
revenue from sales of individual standards.

(2) The Conformance/certification policy is too ... Suggestion: ...

(3) The Trademark policy is too. Suggestion: ...


At 3:49 PM -0400 02/06/18, Paul Nikolich wrote:
>Dear SEC,
>Attached you will find the note we sent the IEEE-SA BoG inviting them to
co-locate their meeting with ours in July.  They have accepted and we will
have the opportunity to formally discuss issues of common interest to 802
and the BoG on Friday from 5-6pm.  I also encourage you and members of your
WGs to be observers of the BoG meetings so that we can get an appreciation
for their activities.
>Remember we recommended that the BoG and 802 each come into the meeting
with a list of issues with one singled out for deeper discussion during the
joint 5-6pm Friday meeting.
>From my perspective the list (in priority order) is as follows:
>0) Improve communications and cooperation between BoG and 802
>1) Get802 program
>2) Conformance/certification policy
>3) Trademark policy
>4) Support from BoG to facilitate the development and dissemination for 802
>Does anyone have anything to add (or delete)?  Any suggestions on the above
>--Paul Nikolich
>-----Original Message-----
[]On Behalf Of Paul Nikolich
>Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:14 AM
>To: 'Ben Johnson'
>Cc:; 'Carlo, Jim'; 'IEEE802';
>Subject: [802SEC] RE: Co-locating BoG and 802 meetings in July 2002
>We had a very productive session with the IEEE-SA staff and Dick Holleman
this evening at the Standards Board meeting addressing the issues that were
raised at last week's 802 plenary session.  Attached you will find a letter
in response to your inquiries for co-locating the BoG and IEEE802 plenary
session in July 2002.   The 802 executive committee is unanimously in favor
of co-located the sessions--please read the attached note and we can
finalize the logistics when we meet tomorrow at the Standards Board meeting.
>Best regards,
>--Paul Nikolich
>Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Project
>cell:    857.205.0050
>mail:   18 Bishops Lane, Lynnfield, MA 01940