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Re: [802SEC] Sponsor Ballot Recirculation Minimum TIme?


It's my understanding that Clause 11 is limited to WG ballots and that, per the LMSC rules, 10 days is OK for Sponsor Ballot recirculation.

I recall that, when the 15-day recirc was instituted about 15 years ago, there was discussion on this topic and we decided to not change the minimum in the Sponsor Ballot case.


On August 30, 2017 at 10:12:22 AM, John D'Ambrosia ( wrote:


In reviewing the rules regarding recirculation period for sponsor balloting, I have come some text that is unclear to me. 


The IEEE 802 WG P&P States –

11.0 Actions requiring an electronic ballot require comments on changes required to modify the vote to Approve.  For a letter ballot on a draft standard to be valid a majority of all the voting members of the Working Group must have responded Approve, Do Not Approve, or Abstain. Comment resolution, recirculations, etc. should be consistent with Sponsor ballot rules and of the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual (SASB OM).


The response time for a Working Group letter ballot on a draft shall be at least thirty days. However, for recirculation ballots the response time shall be at least fifteen days.


Submission of a draft standard or a revised standard to the Sponsor shall be accompanied by any outstanding negative votes and a statement of why these unresolved negative votes could not be resolved.


Revised drafts approved in subsequent Working Group letter ballot for forwarding to the Sponsor Ballot Group do not require Sponsor approval for forwarding.


However, the IEEE-SA Std Board Manual states – Ballot term Each ballot in the standards balloting process shall close at 23:59 UTC-124 on the closing date specified on the ballot. The length of the ballot and associated recirculations is set by the Sponsor. The initial ballot term shall be at least 30 days in duration. The recirculation ballot term shall be at least 10 days in duration.


When I spoke with David, he believe we have used a minimum of 15 days for Sponsor Ballots, but in light of these rules it is unclear where IEEE 802 has a requirement for a minimum of days for a sponsor ballot recirculation.


Can anyone clarify another rule I may have missed?  And what are WG Chairs requiring for Sponsor Ballot Recirculations?  Your input would be greatly appreciated.




John D’Ambrosia

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